George (1st) BAKER

George (1st) BAKER

Wyangle

BIRTH

Mr George (1st) Baker was born on the ... to parents ..............

MARRIAGE

2724/1858 George (1st) BAKER married Miss Anne GELLING in TUMUT

CHILDREN

1. 12984/1859 BAKER GEORGE G (2nd) parents GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT. He died BAKER GEORGE 11634/1914 GEORGE & ANN S in TUMUT

2. 12877/1860 BAKER CHARLES T parents GEORGE & ANNE in TUMUT

3. 13571/1861 Thomas (1st) BAKER parents GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT.

4. 14115/1862 BAKER MALE parents GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT

5. 15761/1865 BAKER GAULTIER S parents GEORGE & ANNIE in TUMUT

6. 16798/1867 BAKER HENRY parents GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT

7. 18723/1869 BAKER (MALE) parents GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT

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BAKER GEORGE 11634/1914 GEORGE & ANN S in TUMUT

BAKER CHARLES 6038/1870 GEORGE & ANNE in TUMUT. death BAKER CHARLES 6038/1870 GEORGE & ANNE in TUMUT

BAKER JOHN T 4924/1861 GEORGE & ANNE in TUMUT death BAKER JOHN T 4924/1861 GEORGE & ANNE in TUMUT

BAKER THOMAS 4952/1861 GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT. Death BAKER THOMAS 4952/1861 GEORGE & ANN in TUMUT

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1. 14066/1862 BAKER CHARLES CHARLES & ANN in TUMUT

2. 15781/1865 BAKER GEORGE Thomas CHARLES & ANN in TUMUT - He died in 5886/1944 CHARLES & PARISH, ANNE in TUMUT

DEATHS

BAKER THOMAS 19205/1938 GEORGE & ANNIE in TUMUT

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BAKER SOPHIA 18770/1940 JOHN & MARGARET in TUMUT

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BAKER SOPHIA 6146/1860 THOMAS & ANN in TUMUT

BAKER Sophia 6146/1860 Thomas & Ann in Tumut

BAKER SOPHIA 6146/1860 THOMAS & ANN in TUMUT

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BAKER JULIA 7431/1959 JAMES & ANN in TUMUT

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BAKER REGINALD THOMAS 16798/1949 HERBERT WILLIAM & CECILIA MAUD in TUMUT

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BAKER ROBERT L 14788/1931 FREDERICK & LLOUISA C in TUMUT

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BAKER ANNE 7330/1910 WILLIAM & MARY in TUMUT

BAKER JAMES 10323/1876 AGE 65 YEARS DIED in TUMUT

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OTHER MARRIAGES OF MALES NAMED BAKER in the years 1788 to 1945 registered in the District of Tumut.

2928/1861 BAKER CHARLES P Married in 2928/1861 to Miss HENDEN, ANN in TUMUT

3501/1870 BAKER JOHN THOMAS married Miss KILLY MARY in TUMUT

1825/1914 BAKER WALTER H married Miss POWER MILDRED A in TUMUT

2340/1922 BAKER WILLIAM G P married Miss OWEN ROSE M K in TUMUT

9654/1929 BAKER HENRY C married Miss KING PHYLLIS M in TUMUT

2109/1937 BAKER ALLEN HERBERT married Miss BEEGLING, MARCIA JOAN in TUMUT

16388/1937 BAKER LYLE EDGAR married Miss FROST AMY JOAN in TUMUT

27623/1959 BAKER, MICHAEL THOMAS married Miss CULLEN, REGINA MAY in TUMUT

12562/1955 BAKER, ALAN GRENVILLE married Miss FERGUSON, ELIZABETH IRENE in TUMUT -

Then 39719/1965 BAKER ALAN GRENVILLE married MIss ALEXANDER JAMES & IVY MARY GRACE in TUMUT.

BAKER, PETER WILLIAM married Miss HERRIOT, EDITH MILVANY in TUMUT

23772/1948 BAKER, GRAEME DOUGLAS married Miss COOPER, GLADYS FRANCES in TUMUT

16683/1949 BAKER, JAMES COLIN married Miss HARRIS, NATALIE ELIZABETH in TUMUT

18636/1953 BAKER, JOHN WILLIAM Married Miss DOMWELL, MARJORIE DAWN in TUMUT

1769/1947 BAKER, IAN married Miss WALLISILA, GWEN in TUMUT

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Marriages Search Resultsn Bride's Family Name(s)Bride's Name BAKER IN District OF TUMUT

19107/1958 SMITH, BARRY KEITH N married BAKER, TEONA ANN IN TUMUT

1765/1947 PENDERGAST, COLLINS AUGUSTINE married BAKER, MONICA MARIE in TUMUT

7562/1912 MCNAMARA, JOHN J married BAKER, DULCIE B in Tumut

7412/1888 MANCHARLEY AH BAKER, MARY ANN in TUMUT

2745/1858 KING, GEORGE maried BAKER, SARAH A in TUMUT

8004/1905 TRUDGEN, HENRY J married BAKER, ROSE V in TUMUT

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The Bakers of Tumut

Edith Baker of Tumut married my uncle John Mackinder (or McKinder) on 14 March 1942 in Sydney. He was born in Bradford 19 December 1899, second eldest son of James Mackinder and Julia. John had previously been married to Kate in Liverpool England in 1922 and they had at least one son – Jackie born about 1924. Kate died about 1934. When and why John moved to Australia I don’t know, but when my mother (John’s sister) came to Australia in 1980 we made some attempts to track him down with no success. It was only when I met Jan Gregory of Tamworth on the Internet in the late 90s that we found record of him. Jan is the world-wide expert on the “Mackinder” name and pointed me directly to John’s wedding certificate. From this we see that he married Edith Baker aged 35, born Tumut, with parents Thomas Baker, deceased, Blacksmith and Easter Allatt. Given that Tumut is not far from Canberra, that there are quite a few “Bakers” in Tumut in the phone directory, and that Edith was our only Australian genealogical connection, I decided to do what I could to research the Tumut Baker genealogy. Here is a link to John and Edith’s marriage certificate .

A search of the NSW marriage records for male “Baker” “Tumut” gave the attached, which shows Thomas and Esther (sic) being married in 1885. Click here for the NSW marriage certificate. It carries a disappointing minimum of information

Searching for “Baker Tumut Deaths” gives this list which shows Easter Baker dying in 1936.

Here is Easter Baker's Death Certificate . This gives us a great deal of info re her and her family.

I cannot find Easter’s birth record in NSW, nor Joseph and Sarah’s marriage. So I had a look in the UK’s FreeBMD searching for Joseph Allatt marriage and found it in Wakefield in 1852 to Sarah Himsworth.

Turning to the Bakers. Searching Tumut Baker deaths gives this list and the only Thomas death in about the right year is 19205/1938. This date lines up with “deceased” for Thomas on Edith’s 1942 marriage certificate. So this is quite likely Easter’s husband. Note the parents are George and Ann

Searching for Thomas’ and Esther’s children gives this list of Baker Tumut births , and there are nine –

Frederick L born in 1886,

Herbert W born in 1888,

Elsie B born 1890,

Walter N b 1892,

Edgar b 1894,

Eva b 1897,

Guy b 1901 and

Charles b 1903. All these line up with the siblings listed on Easter's death certificateEdith b 1907 does not appear because the cutoff in the NSW online records is 1905. Ina addition, Doris was born as the last child in 1909

Most of the rest of the Baker Tumut births were George and Ann’s, that is the previous generation. These are

George G 1859 – 1914(?),

Charles T 1860 – 1870(?),

Thomas 1861 – 1936,

Male b 1862,

Gaultier b 1865,

Henry b 1867 married 1929,

Male b 1869.

This leaves only Thomas and Louisa’s two girls in 1886 and 1887 (no male descendants) and

Charles and Ann’s Charles ( 1862) and

George T (1865) who could have had Baker descendants. The deaths dates described to George and Ann’s children are taken/guessed at from the Baker Tumut deaths list .

There are two other “George and Ann” children – John T d 1861 and Thomas d 1861. Neither seem to appear in the “births” list so it is a puzzle as to how or where or if they fit.

Searching for George and Ann’s marriage in Tumut we get only one –

George and Ann Gelling in 1858. About the right time – the first son was born in 1859. It looks like Ann Baker nee Gelling died in 7330/1910 per the Baker Tumut Deaths list . Her parents were given as William and Mary.

Finally, Googling “Baker Tumut” came up with an interesting result. It took me to http://www.ourbounty.com/bounty/genealogy/dat116.html#7 the extract from which is here.

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It turns out that Edith Mary Purcell who married Edgar Joseph Baker (Edith’s brother) was directly descended from William Purcell who was Bligh’s carpenter on the Bounty and made the “longboat” journey with him.

The line was : William b ? d 1834

Charles b 1813 d 1891 Adelong

Charles b 1845 Boorowa d 1915 Wondalga

Charles John Purcell b 1869 Adelong d 1950

Edgar and Edith married 1915 at Adelong and had four children –

Lyle (who married Joan Frost and had Teona Ann and Evelyn Joan),

Ian, (who 1947 married Miss Ila Gwen WALLIS in TUMUT - (Ref- NSW BDM 1769/1947)

Gordon (who married Gwen), and

Jean who married Douglas Mann.

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Gordon Baker and Gwen (nee unknown) had nine children –

Frederick,

Kenneth,

Trevor,

Malcolm,

Valerie,

Raymond,

Jennifer,

Christopher and

Rosemary (these details from the “Bounty” site). Some of these are listed as still living. So there must be many Baker descendants from this line alone .

Joseph Allatt married Sarah in 1852 in Wakefield Yorkshire, and came to Australia in 1853, arriving Melbourne in the Marion Moore. They initially stayed in Geelong then moved to Tumut. Their children and descendants can be fairly easily traced in and from Tumut. (Ref- Mike Dinn. Canberra. 21 January 2004.)